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Old 05-25-2018, 02:11 PM   #21
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those links were very informative....but i'd be curios to analyze...

* "500,000 to over 3 million defensive gun uses" how can that gap be so great??? what is considered a defensive gun use...and do the death-resulting ones also count as a homicide??

* how does the racial/cultural/social$$ mapping overlay the gun-free vs gun-allowed zones?? are gun-restricted areas greater in cultural/racial diversity? Is the violence done by one particular race? ...seems like those gun-restrictive cities are also the most diverse ones.

... it'd be interesting to see statistics comparing the gun-[un]restricted laws on cities/states that can claim to be 50-80% diverse.



* in those gun-free zones

a) ...how did the perpetrators get guns?
a1...from neighbouring gun-allowed zones
a2...frmo a time when there was no ban
a3...or elsewhere?

b) ...are those same perpetrators influenced by a time before gun-restriction?
or come from a state with less gun-restriction?


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that figure showing by country is interesting.... wow no China (based on wiki for guns and homicides ....china's lower than india)

wonder how Japan & India do it...interesting they both have the death penalty...China too. I'm surprised both china / india (the 2 most populous)
have such lower homicide rates.

USA still has ~300K more homicides then india (wonder if thats the education part that tallgeese wanted to discuss)
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....one serious question to study: can you impose gun-restriction on a city that originally did not have them.
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Old 05-25-2018, 02:15 PM   #22
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US gun-laws imposing on its neighbours???

i have no idea of the truth in this article

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed...206-story.html

but it is an entertaining & enlightening read.
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would have also thought that eastern EU would have been more
severe in the stats compared to most places (other than africa & SA) but
they are a pretty docile bunch.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:08 PM   #23
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* "500,000 to over 3 million defensive gun uses" how can that gap be so great???
Because people don't report when they've avoided a dangerous situation with the help of a gun.

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what is considered a defensive gun use...and do the death-resulting ones also count as a homicide??
Something as simple as brandishing (showing) your gun would be considered a defensive use, IMO. Death due to a defensive use of a gun is generally considered self-defense which is not a homicide, by definition.

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wonder how Japan & India do it...interesting they both have the death penalty...China too. I'm surprised both china / india (the 2 most populous)
have such lower homicide rates.
The death penalty is an effective deterrent. If there was no death penalty, people could just go on killing sprees knowing that they would never be put to death for it (not sure if there is data on this but it seems logical to me).

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USA still has ~300K more homicides then india (wonder if thats the education part that tallgeese wanted to discuss)
"homicide" does not mean "death by gun".
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Old 05-28-2018, 07:33 AM   #24
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" generally considered self-defense which is not a homicide"

tahts what i figured...but that plot in your link didn't exhibit other deaths.
Seems one-sided if you don't illustrate/hilite the fatalities by self-defense
, and possibly suicides , or severe injuries. Brandishing or showing your weapon is one thing defensively...but actually using it on another...
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"""homicide" does not mean "death by gun". ""
regardless of gun or other method...seems like some education is needed,
if the two most populous countries have lower stats (if those stats are actually true)
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even with teh death penalty india still gets abotu 200K-300K homicides.
%-wise thats minute, but still 200K alot of people.
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